Brother Enfield all is not lost !,We shall overcome ,West Ham will be free !

Brother Enfield all is not lost !,We shall overcome ,West Ham will be free !First off !,I hope everyone is well .It is great being able to share my thoughts on this great site. Well ten years ago ,I did warn everybody what to expect from the self styled 'Messiahs' .I think it would be kind in saying that the Cons ,need a truth detector test , rather than a lie detector test they lie so much !Nobody believes them when they say hello anymore !They are ABSOLUTE MASTERS at using the media to spin their lies for them. They leak different 'exclusives', to different members of the media .They even have their own Pravada spinning 24/7 on their behalf .They will do anything to protect The Cons .From pleading poverty, to throwing the manager under the bus . Even trying to shift the blame on to Sullivan's original 'girl Friday '. Mrs Brady.

When you see Dave Sullivan JNR occupying TWO pages in the Daily Mail talking about himself and his pad, as well as the other son ,Jack, having a TV program made about him being the youngest Football boss. Then you realise , how great their influence in the media is .It doesn't stop there !They have little attack dogs, using false profiles on twitter and on various fan sites ,desperately trying to shoot down any criticism of the Cons. But even that is not working any more .Even their one time biggest happy clappers, have vehemently turned against them !People are sick of the lies !I feel bitter in the way that they have betrayed people's trust ,people who wanted and believed in the dream .Nothing wrong with that .

As for myself ,Brother Enfield and a few others ,we warned about the 'phantom ' bids .Bids with zero intent .Bidding well below what the selling Club wants ,or offering personal terms that they know perfectly well the player won't accept ,are just a couple of 'party' tricks they use. The end result is always the same .We tried. Their little lackeys will spin it that the player was greedy, the agents were greedy ,the selling Club wanted all the money up front .Lies ,lies ,sweet little lies .Then you would get the leaks to the various media outlets :"West Ham 'closing in' on Messi !West Ham 'closing in' on Ronaldo "Add any fantasy land signing you want !West Ham would of been 'closing in' on them at one time or another. In the beginning the fans would be giddy with excitement, Not now. And Fareham ?At times I would pour a double JD ,laugh and say BOLLOCKS !!

The reality has always been the same with The Cons, in their 27 years at Birmingham City and West Ham United. Freebies, cheapies and loan after loan is what they deliver .Although I must admit I enjoyed the phantom' bid 'leaked at Birmingham City the best .They leaked it that they were 'closing in ' on Diego Maradonna .Alas when Maradonna signed for Sevilla ,and was asked about the Birmingham City 'bid'. Surprise !Surprise ! He said he'd never heard of them .Anything to shift the season tickets ! Not for nothing are they the 'FOUR ' time relegation 'kings'. They love relegation !Its like winning an Oscar to them !They would rather see their side relegated than spend money.

The 'Messiahs' will do anything for money. That's why they bought West Ham United. For money. I 'm no financial wizard. But something stinks they the way they sold our ground cheaply, and it got flipped so cheaply afterwards. Make no error about it ,they have been deep involved in the Upton Gardens property development. No doubt that is where they've made their money. Next level ,champions league blah blah. One flew over the Cuckoo'S Nest stuff !This season we have had the usual suspects, rolling out the tearjerkers on behalf of the Cons. With Financial Fair Play so yesterday ,the theme has been all football Clubs facing a 'financial Armageddon due to Cov-19'.The market would be flat we were told. Of course every other Club bar West Ham United ,have been throwing money around in a frenzy. Like someone about to go bankrupt and having a last spree on the credit cards before handing them over to the receiver.

There mantra is divide and rule. They don't even pretend to go through the fascade , of going after this star or that star anymore .What for ?They know no one believes them anymore. Some make the mistake of thinking that Sullivan is prime evil and Gold is just the "Uncle Albert "type. Don't be fooled they are in it together. They are like two bank robbers working in tandem !Gold holds the bag open while Sullivan packs the loot in. So where does it leave us ?Most of the fanbase hate the Cons and I'm sure they are not overly keen on us. However we are far from an impossible position, even with the 'Messiahs' at the helm .Lets leave the theatrics aside away for a moment. As much as I would like to ,I cannot blame all the evils at the Club on the 'Messiahs'. Lets face facts here .When the arrived at Birmingham City ,they were in the third tier of English football, mired in debt ,St Andrews was falling apart .When they left ,St Andrews was rebuilt ,Birmingham City were in the Premier League and were in the black .So it is a fact and NOT opinion. They left Birmingham City in a far better state than when they found it.

It is the same thing at West Ham. You cannot blame them for everything that has gone wrong. When they appointed Manuel Pellegrini ,they did give him a big budget and kept well away. The signing of Jack Wilshere costing over 15 million over three years was a disaster beyond their control .Sullivan, must of gone mental when he was offered that deal !Neither can you blame him for the signings of Sanchez and Roberto. Those three were The Director of football, Mario Hussilos, signings .In fact Sullivan did not want Husillos at the Club, as he had doubts about him. But he backed the manager . Malaga fans blamed, Hussilos , for their relegation bemoaning his dud signings, however hindsight is always a wonderful thing. Yes ,Pellegrini was a washed up manager on his last payday .Yes he was a naïve appointment, but most fans were giddy when he walked through the door. People now say he was not backed in the second season, which is true. But we will take a closer look at things One of the big problems we face in the transfer window is we have no transfer war chest .We have paid the price for years of cheapies, freebies and loan after loan.

Lets get this out in the open regards this cry baby mentality about "always being a selling Club ".ALL Football Clubs are selling Clubs ! Lets take a look at Liverpool for example .They paid £22 million for Suarez and sold him for eighty million, Countinho was bought for £11.7 million and sold for £105million and Torres was bought for £18.7 m and sold for £50 m .A profit of 182m .Some gets used to service the Clubs debt .The other is left in a transfer war chest .So when Jurgen Klopp needs to spend big .The dough is there .Or do you think the hierarchy of Liverpool Football Club, come rushing into Jurgen Klopp's office and say :"Jurgen !Old boy !How much dough can we give you to spend this summer window ??100m ?200m? .Of course not !It is the same at all Football Clubs !The key is buying and selling well .Even little Brentford are showing the way !

We have an unbalanced squad ,lacking in depth but have some very talented individuals .We badly need a period of stability and a steady growth .I'm not a huge fan of David Moyes, many must feel the same about him as I do .It is a like the young lad who goes to a Club .He eyes three beautiful girls ,but one by one they go home with somebody else. Towards the end of the night he sees this other girl and thinks; "She is better than nothing ".They end up going home, and surprise !surprise !They have a hell of a time ! David Moyes has proved post lock down, that he is hugely liked by the players and respected. We played some good stuff and stayed up .People say he will never get another job if he leaves us .Rubbish .He has somewhat restored his reputation when he kept us up for the second time. I have just got the feeling ,we will be getting 'the Everton Moyes'. He is hell bent on revamping the Club, from top to bottom .If you are good enough you are old enough was Moyes, philosophy at Goodison Park. We badly need to get one or two Academy graduates into the first team squad . Moyes has a very good and experienced Coaching staff ,that will help settle promising youngsters into the first team squad. We have no choice, BUT to back our manager and as always the team. We are going to need a strong man to stand up to the 'Messiahs'. I just have a gut feeling that David Michael Moyes will do just that .

As for the 'Messiahs' ,as always 1!2!3!4! time to shove G&S the FOUR time relegation 'kings' out the door. But realistically speaking, there are very few People lining up to buy Football Clubs .I think the Cons will hold out till they've bought the ground .That way they will make real dough if they sell up .If we have a horrific start to the season, they are going to think Burnley was a school picnic. Things will get very ugly indeed ,sadly it will boil over onto the pitch .Something has to give and they know it .I can see them waving goodbye to Brady and appoint a new CEO. After that who knows ?But them kill my love for West Ham ??NEVER !Christ on a bike our love for West Ham is far deeper than that. As we showed post lockdown we have enough talent in the squad to beat anyone .Lets hope Moyes can bully ,force ,persuade the 'Messiahs' to open their fat wallets, so that he can bring a bit more quality in !As ALWAYS looking forward to the new season .We are more than a football Club, we're a way of life !COYI !!!

All

Great to be back Dicksie !Great to see you still posting !

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NorthHertsIron's picture

Fareham,i thought they were good for the club but now no way the 3 stooges want us relegated,also the rent will be cheaper.Heaven help them if they sell Rice

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Mate nothing wrong with you giving them a chance !However they turned out exactly how I expected .The worry is if Rice starts pushing for a move .Then they will have thr perfect excuse to sell him.

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They came,they stabilized us,they earnt selling The Boleyn,they are at a dead end now,they are not rich enough to take us further.

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Is if they sell Rice at the last second there will not be enough time to find players to sign same goes with Lanzini&Anderson if clubs come in on deadline day for either of them unless we have replacements ready to sign on the dotted line i say keep them and use as squad players why weaken the squad further by selling and having no one to replace them.

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My man first off !Great to see you are ok !As you say we can't afford to sell any players.We need to add to the squad.They may well try cash in on players close to deadline day.If that happens Moyes must walk !

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Brother Fareham. Great to see you back & in fine fettle. Like you the activities or lack of by the Messiahs has caused our stirrings. True to form you have hit the nail on the head. Both low life bits of shit are just out to bleed our club dry and spin their bullshit. Well, we have news for them. The non believers are now believers.

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Brother Enfield !They have done the unthinkable !They are even more hated than Terry Brown !What a legacy !Noble caught them with a sucker punch !They hated that don't believe the crap that they had peace talks..BOLLOCKS!The tide is turning !

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Think you are right Brother Fareham. If Moyes told Brady to 'Fuck Off' & she told him he was sacked & he is still there he obviously has the players backing him. What with Noble's tweet plus backing from Wilshire & Rice. The 3 stooges are firmly backed up against the wall! In the words of the late great Bill Paxton. Game Over man!

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Fareham great post and agree with it .It will be very interesting to see which way it goes .I especially agree with your last sentence C.O.Y.I

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Thanks mate !I look forward to the season as always .It is going to be very interesting indeed !

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I am sorry , I do understand the emotion within most supporters / followers but just one reverse view.... If you had a business, bought with your own money would you take any interest in what others think really or say ? Would you do what's best for you and your family or do what the consumer wants even if you know if it goes wrong they have no liability?
We shall see what happens but I have a spooky feeling nothing much will and we will be on 20 points at Christmas and having the same conversations. If there was a change of ownership we will have the same conversations with different names in 12 months time too......

We support/ follow, spend money and have opinions but it ain't going to change anything if we are honest.

I assume I will be slated for saying this , but do you think the board give a damn when they have 18,000 on season ticket waiting lists still?

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Your right Dicksy they are what billionaires buy due to excessive liquidity,you dont buy a premier league club with the thought of a career change.

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I am sorry you are incorrect they do , and all clubs are a commodity as they are in essence a business.

What about Sky TV.... that is fan based/ entertainment based and the consumer pays for it...or doesnt. I know two people who have bought clubs to make money. One di ( a lot ) and the other broke even.

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Yes I am muddled obviously. I know nothing about business and buying a club and nothing about balance sheets, investments and how football works.

Grady was sold for £20 million so Soucek at £15 million ( almost same age ) was either very underpriced or we got a cracking price for a totally unproven Prem player ? What do you think Drady was valued at in on the balance sheet ?

Its not about balancing books. That is not how it works at all, its about a strong balance sheet and the value in the future to sell. Mike Ashley is the king of such deals and will make a great return on Newcastle. Which owners are loved by the supporters really in the Prem? In reality Levy and the money at Spurs has been the best return and that club regardless of if you hate them or not is one of the best run in the world still as a business

The owners at Everton have put more money in than we have in the last 10 years now by the way.

I cant win with you and I understand that so I will not post anymore....good luck making your next million squid as it's obvious you could run the club better than Gold and Sullivan.

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Looking after number 1,but people feel aggrieved because of all the bullshit,if they had of been honest from the start they wouldn't get half the grief

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Not verified ?Of course not !One of Hughie Southon's little fake profiles :)

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He is now classed as not verified because he asked for his membership to be revoked, I revoked his membership but chose the option to leave his comments though.

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Lol!! I think we have to draw a line under this one now boys,everytime i see this on top of the forums,i wonder what is coming next,if he wasnt Jack Sullivan,he must of been Mary Millingtons uncle Lol!!

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He ain't seen nothing yet :)

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Fair enough Nev .That's up to him .

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

I dont understand "not verified" but I hope it doesnt drive Big Jon away. I may not agree with all his comments but I like the idea of another opinion because only with good debate can we learn. If we all have the same ideas we are living in communist China! I am happy to hear support of the board and likewise see whats on HAMMERS UNITED. Two different views and I think I am grown up enough to question all points.

Folks, lets not hound out anyone who happens to have a different opinion, at the end of the day I believe we are all West Ham... COYI's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Big John ,is Hughie Southon !One of the self 'styled' Messiahs chief spinners !Another lie is the 50 000 thousand season waiting list . Now it's 18 000.As you state correctly, we are all entitled to our opinions. I don't care what the Board thinks of my opinion. But they would do well take heed of the mood against them .In time they may well think that Burnley was a school picnic !

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

Why would HUGH SOUTHON be interested in this modest fan site... no disrespect intended. And if he was on the site why would it be an issue? Hes a fellow Hammer? Or not?

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He is and no it isn't me ! But if you don't fit the stereotyped profile and agree that all board members are dishonest and morons and that the club ' belongs to supporters' then it's almost impossible to be it would seem.

Its like the league itself. Its about levels and acceptance.

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Modest fan site ?Some of the greatest debates have been on this site .Great personalities,great knowledge on here .Hugh is a hammer and of course he can post here.West Ham's fanbase has always been passionate,a 'broad Church'.With many different opinions on all things West Ham.Nothing wrong with that.Opinions only.

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

As I said, it was no disrespect to the site or to Nev, he does a great job but in terms of numbers of contributors and readers is less than others. You should know, didn’t you try setting up a site yourself and only just return here?

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No I never set up a site and returned here.I have written and posted for other sites.Been active on twitter but that's it.I have always regarded this site as my spiritual home.

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

Welcome home buddy... hope you are well as I think you unwell in the past?

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Great to be home.You've got a great memory !I have heart failure which has got progressive.As it does over time ,but their are always people worse off than you.Tigers don't cry !Have you any idea if CelticHammer still posts ?Like the boys as well !Mum was Irish Catholic.

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

Not so sure about a good memory, your posts were / are legendary! Very sorry to hear that the heart condition is progressive, you take care my friend. Supporting our club is not good for your health at the best of times! Good spot on the spelling of bhoy. I dont post anything related to my other love on this site, I dont think its fair and tends to provoke sectarian feelings that are best left with other non west ham related sites :o)

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Thanks for the kind words. The key is exchanging viewpoints regards our great Club .I don't know about legendary posts .But surely the next one has to call for the immediate changing of the guard. From Noble as Club Captain to Captain Rice :)

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

Noble should be allowed one last season but not as skipper. I fear its too late for Rice, he will be Offski very shortly :o(

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It is not often I comment on these things, however, back in the day before the site became members only we used to have between 1-3000 people online at a time, it melted our server and cost a fortune to keep open, so it wasn't exactly small time, and it was the FIRST forum site where people could leave comments ahead of KUMB even.

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Nev,a fantastic site with great posters !

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

As I said Nev, absolutely no disrespect intended, the others may have the numbers but you have the quality. I am happy to take a yellow card for the team :o)

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I can 100% assure you that I am not Hughie Sothon or anyone else and that maybe total paranoia has set in. I am not a Messiah and I am not anyones spinner let alone a chief spinner.If you don't care what the board thinks of your opinion then why do you expect them to take notice of what supporters think ?
Can I also assure you that the waiting list for season ticket applications to my knowledge has never been 50,000 , the highest it was is 27,000 amd now at this time it's 18,000.
Why would the Board take heed of the mood against them ? If you are implying that there might be more demonstrations and so on then I give up as all that ever did was strengthen opinion against our supporters and football in general and if you cant see that its a problem in itself. Demonstrating and throwing seats etc at directors box or in any situation will never and has never solved anything and never will apart from fear and ignorance.

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Need a good arm to hit the Messiah's with a chair at the moment! You want need your hat hat this weekend Hughie lol

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I would not comment to someone who obviously has a stutter LOL

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Hughie ,old boy you are wasting your time.The Cons can't hide away in a empty stadium forever.The fans despise them for reason.What goes around ,comes around .I said it ten years ago and I say it now.G&S out !I will leave it at that.

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So metaphorically speaking then if 1000 West Ham followers ( not supporters ) had at the Burnley game smashed seats , thrown things at the directors and then for arguments sake got hold of Gold and Sullivan and beaten the crap out of them would that mean they would have then sold the club, done what those 1,000 followers wanted and all would be fine ? That certainly would have encouraged another buyer to jump in and be a part of that for several million quid wouldn't it ?

I don't very much like Mike Ashley and the way he runs House Of Fraser so maybe I should abuse him and throw things at him as I love shopping there and always have or should I just go somewhere else?

I will leave it at that and will not post again as I just give up . It is impossible to agree with all at any one time and we all have to agree to disagree but life is too short sometimes too.

Good luck and best wishes to all.

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

Now we are cooking! Great debate boys, two different opinions, both I have sympathy for and exactly what the site needs... press on fellers!!!

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Thank you but I don't think so. If someone is a billionaire or just rich it seems they don't have the right to do what they want with their money and have to seek approval from people who only have an opinion based on their view and instinct and not factual information as is the case in so much of society.

I can agree to disagree with anyone and I respect all opinions if based on logic, intelligence and do not get aggressive or personal which I fear may not be the case here.

I occasionally swear and maybe are not as polite as I could be but when my 12 year fanatical grandchild reads a post where the only way or expression is to call the billionaire owner of a club a C- - T then what is the point as to be blunt as soon as the author goes to that level all serious debate and argument goes out the window.

Good luck and stay safe.

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nevillenixon's picture

We might have to bring the old 'clint machine back' that we used to have, it converts a certain c word to 'clint' instead, it worked so well that one day a new member asked "who the hell is this clint guy'

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But now you've seen the performance against Newcastle and the ridiculous team selection and tactics, perhaps you'd like to edit your eulogy of David Moyes. The guy is a complete plank, didn't keep us up, was just fortunate that we had an easy tail end ( and even made hard work of that) and that points were amassed under Pelli pre Fabianskis injury

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

Correct about Moyes, ol bug eyes is still statistically the worst manager we have ever had!

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I totally agree with Fareham, the unholy trinity prevent good managing of the players, but still you have to look at the stats and Bug Eyes is the worst we have ever had including Zola and the other Chelsea muppet!

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It does not matter who the manager is.Nothing will change while we have the lying thieving Cons in charge of The Club.Some have plans to 'persuade' them to go I believe.

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moore 6 legend's picture

Farehamhammer i'm hoping there is legs with this rumoured takeover by a yank, it's got to be Tripp Smith and GSO Capital Partners,they have proper money to rescue us from the cons.

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So ,do I .But are we sure it's not the Cons leaking the 'bids'.So that at the end of the window if we spend nothing.They can blame the 'take over proccess' ?

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