Biggest Gambles, Biggest Gains

I'm on record as saying the Hammers should spend big to get Iheanacho and/or Batsuayi this Summer. But such a move would cost them. Meanwhile you see reports of the sort that say, West Ham should sign "Goal-Scoring Beast" Steve Mounie from Montpelier for £13M, instead of Batsuayi. That's small change in the current market, in which a defender like Southampton's Virgil Van Dijk is valued at £50M. But interestingly, Van Dijk himself was signed for £13M. And looking back over a host of players who now command ginormous transfer fees, it seems clear that the best VALUE to be had in the transfer market is in the £10M-£20M range. Of course these transfers are generally a bigger gamble than paying out big on a proven commodity, but when they work out, it is the best value for a club. This makes me understand better the temptation that SUGO have to look for bargain deals, but is it worth the gamble?

Dicks is the man's picture

yup. payet 12 mill? sold for double. going by the,payet,deal alone we should have 25 mill to spend on his replacement. altho I guess we blew 10 on snoddy already.

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darrenharry's picture

This should be a recurring statement to the board all summer, now more than ever.

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Id rather they look at value for money to be honest

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Its time to walk the walk!!

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Are we looking to make money or looking for proven quality? Surely as 15th richest club in the world we should be looking to establish ourselves as such in playing terms. The kinda players you mention ashes are ok IF we have an established squad already. So for me it's proven quality only this season. So Sullivan needs to put up and walk the walk. I'd be happy even with only 2 more signings if they are top quality, and upfront I don't expect to compete with Chelsea for players but we should always be in for the level just below.

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asheshammer's picture

the post was more about why SUGO lways return to the bargain mentality.

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If we buy that Nigerian who is supposed to rock up tomorrow, I think you will get your answer on that one ashes. Like I say 15 th richest club in the world and yet we are taking another punt on a 19 year old Nigerian for 7 million when we are desperate for 2 top class strikers with proven quality. You can't make it up can you. Don't think they will ever change, it goes against their principles. Their plan is champions league by luck rather than good planning. This guy is this seasons Jonathan calleri, only younger. Fingers crossed he turns out better. But demanding to play and leading the line alone at 19. Can't see that working. Definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting different outcomes. If we don't get proven quality this season and upfront they will be proven small time and not worthy of running a club as big as West Ham.

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asheshammer's picture

then again, Calleri didn't demand to start. What if Carroll is fit? Do you start Carroll or Onyekuru? I don't even have to think twice about answering that question. And Onyekuru is completely unproven -- you can't say he'll be a "20 goal striker" or even, with any confidence, that he'll get 10. (Calleri had one, I think?) I can't see any reason to bring this guy in with any such promises as he wants. Sure -- if he's being sought as backup, he might prove useful, or not. £7.5M is small change these days. But for goodness sake, get someone who has PROVEN goal-scoring ability. I had some doubts about Defoe, but surely he'd have been less of a gamble.

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I can't disagree with that ashes

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Dicks is the man's picture

but are we sure about this 'demand' and if so are we sure its been agreed to? you never know what the truth is these days. all i can say if we do sign him and we have agreed to such a thing then we are a bunch of turkeys.

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asheshammer's picture

too much gossip in the reports to know for sure. guess we'll see soon enough. all I can say is that if we come away with Onyekuru, Hart, Zabaleta, and a couple of fringe players, while selling (say) Snodgrass and Obiang, then we can be pretty sure where we're headed.

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Yea RNI was chatting with Slav about it over a coffee. Anyway it's all irrelevant the kids is crap, he will fail as we've been told. What makes me laugh is this price tag thing. When we bought Lansing and Payet, were people saying then, "oh the price tag is too small they will be failures" ? The price is what a team are willing to pay for the player and the club are willing to sell at. I'm happier to have a £7.5 million punt on a 20 year-old Belgium League top scorer, who Arsenal wanted, than another journeyman, who's been warming the bench. I suppose its that damned if you do damned if you don't scenario that plays out every year. Mind you if he reads this site he probably won't want to come as he's already been written off!!

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Rumour has it our bid has been turned down. Fact remains who ever we buy we should stop acting like we are a relegation side and act like a club aiming for Europe with proven quality players. In recent times soton and Bournemouth have brought in better quality players. Looks like we lack any kinda ambition. Since when scoring goals in the Belgium league been a good yard stick?

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yea but this is the problem isn't it. Surely if you can define who is not a good signing, you can therefore define what is a good signing? Or no it just works one way because that's easy. Define also recent times. You're telling me Bournemouth and Southampton have signed better players than Lanzini, Payet a Antonio? I think you're totally fixated with last years' transfers, which we all agree were abysmal, you have to have some optimism that this year won't be the same? Or are you saying hat one really bad transfer season defines every other forever? I bet you can't give me 3 "proven" pre goalscorer that are available or we have a chance of getting?

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Dicks is the man's picture

i do agree with what you say betty. we can't judge until we've seen him in action. it is true. however i do feel that there is something to be said for the recruitment approach. last season was shameful. the season before as you rightly state we got payet and lanzini. but before that we got no one of note that i can recall. i think what RNI is trying to say is that there is something fundamentally wrong with the throw the net out and haul in whatever approach. you asking for proven players well id say defoe, sturridge, hart, giroud, wiltshire fit that bill. people can scream about the injury records but thats life. i think for example we'd be better off spending more to get giroud than taking a punt on someone in belgium. id also prefer defoe to him at this point as we know what we get with defoe, no settling in nonsense, just slots in and scores. i also think fonte and snodgrass weren't as bad signings as people suggest. they didnt play well last half a season i agree, but then the whole side didnt either. i think they will both prove to be useful players. thats just my view anyway, i know its not agreeable to a lot but I've voiced it anyway.

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I agree with this players apart from Defoe, but as you say, "they'll" always say theres a problem with them. The reality is there is no secret formula. You get lucky sometimes. Nobody wanted Di Canio and he became a hero at West Ham. As for Fonte and Snodgrass, they can't get any worse!! I think Snodgrass was a total knee jerk reaction if I'm honest. They thought we're losing Payet. Who can take free kicks? Oh yea Snodgraass. if Payet had kept his pants on except at home, where would we have been last year, losing that quality would be a massive blow to any club

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btw a bit stato but Sturridge has played 89 (27 as sub) games in 5 seasons for Liverpool about 18 games a season and scored 46 goals just under 10 a season.

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Altho I'm not a fan Defoe is a proven scorer and available. Giroud? That's just 2 without thinking. I'm not fixated by last season transfers as I'm one of those that think some of them are better than they have shown. I am however fixated on the fact since Sullivan has been in charge we have had over 30 strikers at the club and most haven't even been close to being good enough. So something is wrong! Sorry dicksy I didn't read your post first so looks like I copied it a bit.

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hammer1980's picture

It is true that gossip and speculations are on the agenda at this time. Onyekuru is a bet is young and there is also the risk of "burning" if it is immediately charged with responsibility. If they want to take it for a future investment ok, but you have to take an attacker from at least 15 goals per season as they had promised at the time, we're still waiting

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asheshammer's picture

Don't mind Onyekuru coming as a punt -- if it worked out, all the better for us -- but we need that striker who will be a sure thing. Fifteen goals -- is that too much to ask? It's hard to remember the last time we had someone score that many for us in the premier league in one season. Harewood had 14 in 2005-06, but you have to go to DiCanio in 1999-2000 to get 15 or better, and I believe that's all competitions. Source sports mole http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/west-ham-united/1999-00/top-scorers... and you can select seasons to compare. Makes for dim reading. Carlton Cole doesn't come off too badly, relatively speaking!

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But this is the thing Ahses, I think people think it's FIFA17. Who is that "sure thing" that "15 goal a season player? If they're doing that in the Prem their clubs won't let them go. Costa is one but he'll chase the yen, Defoe another but he's getting on now and so is it a sure thing. Look at all the Agueros, Costas, Lukakus, they alla had to start somewhere. I'd prefer to let a new player at least kick a ball for us before I write him off, he just might be the next gem.

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Dicks is the man's picture

or turd…..

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Agreed but tormenting ourselves all summer, about recruitment policy, when it's out of our hands seems a bit senseless when the world is so shit anyway. Alan Devonshire joined from non-league Southall in 1976. I bet no-one even knew him let alone were excited about him? For me he's in the top 5 of all time players to play for the club. Even playing alongside legends as Bonds and broking he stood out. It might happen again, I guess we all need dreams.

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Dicks is the man's picture

i think the 'is he or isn't he' stuff is what keeps people busy. the papers love it, and we buy them. all in know is once the player starts playing, if he does well people will be happy. even then we will still moan though. thats football life i guess. the players earn so much money they deserve to be moaned about lol.

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if we dont go on about it what will we talk about? maybe the exciting world of womens netball that sky is trying so hard to get an audience for...reason everyone gets het up and excited is because of the poor season we had this year so by linking being linked whether its bull or otherwise it just gives we the fans something to think on with formations who'd play where etc...still rather splash the dosh on assombalonga..yeah you new i would bring that up! who i think would bring a lot more to our frontline than many can imagine...another Antonio take a punt and bam what a player so why go to the belgium league or french or anyother when there are plenty here worth the risk here.

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I think a lot of people are het up over strikers because it's the same every year, 2 strikers come in as a punt and fail, then leave. The position never gets nailed down and we have to pin our hopes on Carroll and sakho who we know will only play about 30 per cent of the season. Then we repeat the same sorry tale in the next summers window.

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asheshammer's picture

I predict West Ham will be more entertaining than that next season, whoever we sign. (note: this is not a completely empty prediction)

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